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Poster: cosmicola Date: Jun 15, 2009 6:55pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Pearl Horbor

"I love and support illegal downloading"

I hear shoplifting is pretty fun, too.

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Poster: IanKoro Date: Jun 18, 2009 6:37am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Pearl Horbor

First off, why would someone think that the Internet Archive is the place to ask for obviously copyrighted material? Do they even understand where they're posting? This reminds me of when you look at the message boards of fan websites for celebrities, and there are all kinds of posts from people who seem to think they're actually sending a personal e-mail to the celebrity.

Secondly, why would anyone want a copy of the 2001 Pearl Harbour?

Finally, If they came up with the idea of libraries today, big publishing companies would consider them and their patrons to be pirates.

Illegal downloading is obviously a lot different from actually stealing a real item. If I can't afford an iPod, and I walk into a store and take it, I've deprived the store of one iPod, and given them nothing in return.

If I can't afford to buy DVDs, and I illegally download the movie instead, everyone involved is in exactly the same position as if I hadn't decided to see the film at all.

Obviously, I'm still not paying for a service they've provided, but it's clearly not the moral equivalent of shoplifting.

Illegally downloading TV shows, on the other hand, I don't see any moral issue with. Especially if they're not available on DVD, or they're available to view on the network's website if you live in the US, but can't be viewed in Canada (where I live).

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Poster: Video-Cellar Date: Jun 18, 2009 9:18am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Pearl Horbor

Because copyright isn't physical property, US law actually aggrees that copyright infringement is not theft. The 1985 Supreme court ruling "Dowling v United States" found that infringing copies of copyright works could not be treated as stolen goods. This precident has never been challenged or repealed. The "downloading IS stealing" stuff is just copyright lobby's PR people being creative.

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Poster: jonc Date: Jun 18, 2009 10:01am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Pearl Horbor

We're not exactly talking about copyright infringement here. People are knowingly taking merchants' goods through a middle party without paying the retail price. Copyright infringement is unauthorized use. The people sharing the files might be "infringing," but the downloaders are "stealing." Maybe pulling hairs, though.

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Jun 18, 2009 10:26am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Pearl Horbor

No one is "taking merchants' goods". No physical item is being taken from the merchants' shelves. Digital copies are being made.

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Poster: jonc Date: Jun 18, 2009 6:25pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Pearl Horbor

That's an interesting concept. Suppose I download shareware, and crack the license code. I decline to pay the author. Where does that fall in your book?

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Poster: cosmicola Date: Jun 18, 2009 3:38pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Pearl Horbor

Copies which, by being made without consent of and fair payment to the creator of the work, deny the creator of the work fair compensation for the goods OR services (however you choose to label it) they are providing for your entertainment. Be they a wealthy studio mogul, or a broke indie living in his car.

Theft is theft.

This post was modified by cosmicola on 2009-06-18 22:38:44

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Poster: IanKoro Date: Jun 18, 2009 6:24pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Pearl Horbor

Only (in my experience) the "broke indie living in his car" is far more likely to want to give away his material for free, and be happy to learn someone actually has an interest in his material.

A few things though: If I download a copyrighted movie from 1935, NOBODY involved in the making of the movie is profiting. The very idea that I can go and buy the rights to a movie that is 75 years old, and then continue to profit from its sale is complete and utter bullshit. I didn't have anything to do with making it. I just happened to have enough money to buy myself the right to make more money.

If that's morally right, and downloading a copy of "All Quiet on the Western Front" is morally wrong, then... well, I don't even know what that says about morality.

Then again, how is the movie industry ever going to be able to continue to bring us high quality, high budget fare like Pearl Harbor (2001), if we don't continue to pay for the DVDs of these wonderful pieces of art?

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Jun 19, 2009 1:00pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Pearl Horbor

As Video-Cellar pointed out, even the courts don't call it "theft"; it's copyright infringement.

The statement "Theft is theft" doesn't help us determine what is theft and what is not theft.

I'm not debating whether copying films that are under copyright is lawful or ethical. I'm simply stating the obvious:
No one is removing goods from the merchant's inventory.


This post was modified by Moongleam on 2009-06-19 20:00:29

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Poster: Video-Cellar Date: Jun 18, 2009 10:24pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Pearl Horbor

The court ruling dealt specifically with bootleg records and whether bootleg records could be treated as stolen goods. The court decided they could not be treated as such. I should have made it clearer that I was saying that the law does not see infringing copies as stolen goods or purchasing, obtaining, transporting them to be equal to dealing with stolen goods. However, the law does see uploading and downloading copyright items as copyright infringement not theft.

This post was modified by Video-Cellar on 2009-06-19 05:24:20

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Poster: FP Date: Jun 18, 2009 2:08pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Pearl Horbor

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>>I hear shoplifting is pretty fun, too.

Yeah, but that's a young person's game.

This post was modified by FP on 2009-06-18 21:08:39

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Poster: LuizDA Date: Jun 18, 2009 9:08am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Pearl Horbor

lol

Though in seriousness you can d/l legally too if you so wish and plenty of places are out there... Have you tried Google?